Now and then, I have the privilege to interview some great thought leaders in the field of education. I usually feature them on this blog under the banner of 10Q - ten questions. This time, I'm very happy to interview two of the keynote speakers for the EDEN 2015 conference, which will be held in Barcelona. In a few days I'll post my interview with Jim Groom, but first, here's the conversation that ensued when I caught up with The British Open University's Martin Weller.
1) You’re
currently professor of educational technology at the British Open University.
What first attracted you to working in education/teaching/research, and why are
you still there?
I joined the OU in 1995 just as the web was taking off. It
was a very exciting time, as we were exploring the possibility of using the
internet, particularly in distance education. My field was
ArtificialIntelligence, but I started experimenting with online tutor groups, producing
web pages, etc and migrated into educational technology (as many people did). I
chaired the OU's first big elearning course in 1999 with 12,000 students which
really demonstrated the potential for elearning. I've stayed in it because it
changes a lot and there are always new developments, eg I've been through VLEs,
web 2.0, blogs, social media, learning objects, OERs, MOOCs, etc in this
period.
2) You
wrote a book on being a digital scholar in 2011. What is digital scholarship,
and why is it so important for educators?
I see digital scholarship as a shorthand really for
the intersection between digital technology, the internet and open practice.
The intersection of these three offers many opportunities for changes in every
aspect of scholarly practice. In the book I took
Boyer's 1990 categorisation of scholarship as being discovery, integration, application and teaching, and
demonstrated how each of these scholarly functions could be transformed by
digital scholarship.
3) In
your experience, how has education changed over the last ten years - and have
those changes been good?
I think it's a good news, bad news story. Sometimes it can
seem that not much has changed and education (higher education in particular,
which is my area of focus) has been very slow to realise the potential of new
technologies. Sometimes this is appropriate, for instance not getting swept up
in the latest silicon valley hype, but other times it's just a dismissal of any
change. But I think this can underestimate a lot of the change that has taken
place. It's gradual, and occurs alongside traditional practices - so we still
have lectures and campus universities, which might lead you to think nothing
much has changed, but parallel with this the role of blended and elearning has
become mainstream practice. And we've seen a lot of innovation in the area of
open education.
As to whether it's a good thing or not, I've just written a
whole book exploring some of this in
The Battle for Open, so it's difficult to
say in a short answer. Generally I think the use of new tech has allowed
education to be more flexible, and opened it up beyond the traditional notion
of what constituted a university student. But there has also been some terrible
hype about new developments, and technology can also been seen as a route for
commercial interests to undermine the role of the university. So, it's a mixed
picture.
4) Open
online provision of courses has seen a surge in popularity around the globe
with Openlearn, Futurelearn, and others. Will the bubble burst, or will this
momentum be sustained? What are the success factors?
I think the hype is definitely over. But that is often when
things get interesting. I think many MOOCs (and MOOC providers) will struggle
to find a sustainable financial model in their current guise. But also the
genie is out of the bottle in some respects. We will see them adapted and
modified, but what the MOOC interest has done is raise the profile of open
education and elearning in general, so increasingly universities and
governments will look to this as a model.
5) What
is your response to the criticism of MOOCs (e.g. large scale dropouts,
superficial learning)?
I think it is easy to be snobbish about MOOCs. It's nearly
always a good thing to have people engaged with learning - it's better than
having a population sitting around watching reality TV for instance. But
equally the MOOC proponents have to take those criticisms seriously. MOOC
dropouts are a real issue - at the Open University we've known for a long time
that students really require a lot of support if they are to succeed. This is
particularly true of the sort of learners you might want to reach with MOOCs
(people who cannot access normal higher education for instance). If MOOCs are
only good for experienced learners then they won't offer much of a solution.
6) There
has been at least 20 years of research into online learning, and over 40 years
of research into distance education. How much of this is relevant to MOOCs, or
are they a game changer?
They're a game changer in that they have made people who
make decisions and have funding pay attention, but in teaching and learning
terms they offer very little that we didn't know already. Apart from some of
the more experimental ones that employ connectivist or rhizomatic approaches
for instances, they are fairly limited in terms of pedagogy. It has been mildly
entertaining to see many of the MOOC companies making 'discoveries' of things
that we have known for ages (eg that students require support). But I think
they have raised the profile of elearning, particularly with the entrance of
prestigious universities into the area, and that changes the whole landscape.
7) What
do you think will be the next big thing in education? Will we see something new
that will transform the learner experience, or simply more of the same?
I don't do predictions anymore! I think it's been a while
since we've had a real 'big thing'. MOOCs made a lot of noise, but compared
with the impact of the web 2.0/social media developments of the late 00s this
was quite small scale. I think we are entering a phase of many different
technologies becoming more sophisticated and more integrated into education eg
mobile learning, social media,
learning analytics.
8) What
three things should educators be made aware of right now?
I think the general move to openness - MOOCs, OERs, open
access, digital scholarship, open data - all these things are part of a bigger
picture. Related to this the nature of academic identity online, and
how that relates to traditional practice. Analytics - good and bad uses of this.
9) What
will be the main theme(s) of your keynote at EDEN Barcelona?
I'm going to explore some of the issues around the battle
for openness.
10) What gets you out of
bed in the morning?
My two dogs need to go out the back garden and let me know
:)
I feel very fortunate to be in a field (educational
technology) and living through a period that it witnessing such rapid and large
scale change. Regardless of what you think of MOOCs for instance it was
fascinating to watch how they came from nowhere and saw such rapid growth, and
then criticism. Being able to both participate in this field and be a recorder,
researcher of it is exciting.
Photo courtesy of
Martin Weller
This interview is mirrored on the EDEN Conference Website

10Q: Martin Weller
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